diff --git a/racket/typed/examples/chat-tcp2.rkt b/racket/typed/examples/chat-tcp2.rkt
index 913bf7d..9e9112c 100644
--- a/racket/typed/examples/chat-tcp2.rkt
+++ b/racket/typed/examples/chat-tcp2.rkt
@@ -26,8 +26,7 @@
 
   (spawn chat-ds
    (start-facet chat-server
-     ;; TODO - should be during/spawn
-     (during (tcp-connection (bind id Symbol) (tcp-listener 5999))
+     (during/spawn (tcp-connection (bind id Symbol) (tcp-listener 5999))
              (assert (tcp-accepted id))
              (let ([me (gensym 'user)])
                (assert (present me))
diff --git a/racket/typed/examples/simple-during-spawn.rkt b/racket/typed/examples/simple-during-spawn.rkt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..8874809
--- /dev/null
+++ b/racket/typed/examples/simple-during-spawn.rkt
@@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
+#lang typed/syndicate
+
+;; Expected Output
+;; +parent
+;; +GO
+;; +ready
+;; -parent
+;; -GO
+;; -ready
+
+(define-type-alias ds-type
+  (U (Tuple String) (Observe (Tuple ★/t))))
+
+(run-ground-dataspace ds-type
+                      (spawn ds-type
+                             (start-facet parent
+                                          (assert (tuple "parent"))
+                                          (during/spawn (tuple "GO")
+                                                        (assert (tuple "ready")))
+                                          (on (asserted (tuple "ready"))
+                                              (stop parent))))
+                      (spawn ds-type
+                             (start-facet flag
+                                          (assert (tuple "GO"))
+                                          (on (retracted (tuple "parent"))
+                                              (stop flag))))
+                      (spawn ds-type
+                             (start-facet obs
+                                          (during (tuple (bind s String))
+                                                  (on start
+                                                      (printf "+~a\n" s))
+                                                  (on stop
+                                                      (printf "-~a\n" s))))))
diff --git a/racket/typed/syndicate/core-types.rkt b/racket/typed/syndicate/core-types.rkt
index f9f8937..0d97e7b 100644
--- a/racket/typed/syndicate/core-types.rkt
+++ b/racket/typed/syndicate/core-types.rkt
@@ -1112,6 +1112,13 @@
      (reassemble-type #'τ-cons subitems)]
     [_ t]))
 
+;; Type -> Bool
+;; to prevent observing the linkage assertions used by during/spawn,
+;; disallow ?★ and ??★
+(define-for-syntax (allowed-interest? t)
+  (not (or (<: (type-eval #'(Observe ★/t)) t)
+           (<: (type-eval #'(Observe (Observe ★/t))) t))))
+
 ;; Type -> String
 (define-for-syntax (type->strX ty)
   ;; Identifier -> String
diff --git a/racket/typed/syndicate/roles.rkt b/racket/typed/syndicate/roles.rkt
index 4a4b084..d19069e 100644
--- a/racket/typed/syndicate/roles.rkt
+++ b/racket/typed/syndicate/roles.rkt
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
          →fn proc
          ;; Statements
          let let* if spawn dataspace start-facet set! begin stop begin/dataflow #;unsafe-do
-         when unless send! realize! define
+         when unless send! realize! define during/spawn
          ;; Derived Forms
          during During
          define/query-value
@@ -182,6 +182,26 @@
      (⇒ : ★/t)
      (⇒ ν-f (τ))]])
 
+(define-typed-syntax (during/spawn pat bdy ...+) ≫
+  #:with pat+ (elaborate-pattern/with-com-ty #'pat)
+  [⊢ pat+ ≫ pat-- (⇒ : τp)]
+  #:fail-unless (pure? #'pat--) "pattern not allowed to have effects"
+  #:fail-unless (allowed-interest? (pattern-sub-type #'τp)) "overly broad interest, ?̱̱★ and ??★ not allowed"
+  #:with ([x:id τ:type] ...) (pat-bindings #'pat+)
+  [[x ≫ x- : τ] ... ⊢ (block bdy ...) ≫ bdy-
+                (⇒ ν-ep (~effs τ-ep ...))
+                (⇒ ν-f (~effs))
+                (⇒ ν-s (~effs))]
+  #:with pat- (substs #'(x- ...) #'(x ...) (compile-syndicate-pattern #'pat+))
+  #:with τc:type (current-communication-type)
+  #:with τ-facet (type-eval #'(Role (_) τ-ep ...))
+  #:with τ-spawn (mk-ActorWithRole- #'(τc.norm τ-facet))
+  #:with τ-endpoint (type-eval #'(Reacts (Asserted τp) τ-spawn))
+  ------------------------------
+  [⊢ (syndicate:during/spawn pat- bdy-)
+     (⇒ : ★/t)
+     (⇒ ν-ep (τ-endpoint))])
+
 (define-typed-syntax field
   [(_ [x:id τ-f:type e:expr] ...) ≫
    #:cut
@@ -204,6 +224,7 @@
 (define-typed-syntax (assert e:expr) ≫
   [⊢ e ≫ e- (⇒ : τ)]
   #:fail-unless (pure? #'e-) "expression not allowed to have effects"
+  #:fail-unless (allowed-interest? #'τ) "overly broad interest, ?̱̱★ and ??★ not allowed"
   #:with τs (mk-Shares- #'(τ))
   -------------------------------------
   [⊢ (syndicate:assert e-) (⇒ : ★/t)
@@ -315,6 +336,7 @@
    #:with p/e (if msg? (stx-cadr elab) elab)
    [⊢ p/e ≫ p-- (⇒ : τp)]
    #:fail-unless (pure? #'p--) "pattern not allowed to have effects"
+   #:fail-unless (allowed-interest? (pattern-sub-type #'τp)) "overly broad interest, ?̱̱★ and ??★ not allowed"
    #:with ([x:id τ:type] ...) (pat-bindings #'p/e)
    [[x ≫ x- : τ] ... ⊢ (block s ...) ≫ s-
                  (⇒ ν-ep (~effs))
diff --git a/racket/typed/tests/overly-broad-interests.rkt b/racket/typed/tests/overly-broad-interests.rkt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..2d8f58e
--- /dev/null
+++ b/racket/typed/tests/overly-broad-interests.rkt
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+#lang typed/syndicate
+
+(require rackunit/turnstile)
+
+(typecheck-fail (spawn ⊥
+                       (start-facet x
+                                    (on (asserted $x:Int)
+                                        #f)))
+                #:with-msg "overly broad interest")
+
+(typecheck-fail (spawn ⊥
+                       (start-facet x
+                                    (on (asserted (observe $x:Int))
+                                        #f)))
+                #:with-msg "overly broad interest")
+
+;; TODO - but this one seems fine?
+(typecheck-fail (spawn ⊥
+                 (start-facet x
+                              (on (asserted _)
+                                  #f)))
+                #:with-msg "overly broad interest")